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Two members, same supplier, very different experiences

Started 21 January 2025 · 16 replies · 164 hearts · read 3k times

PerrinNice, FR · 21 January 2025
1.5 years ago

Two members, same supplier, very different experiences Writing it down partly to work out what I actually think.

Evidence question. I would rather have an honest "we do not know" than a confident answer.

I have read the guides on this site on this subject and they were clearer than anything else I found, and my question sits just past where they stop.

The claim I keep seeing is stated with enormous confidence and I cannot find a single primary source for it anywhere.

I have a practical question that turns entirely on a technical detail, and I have not been able to get a straight answer to the technical detail.

Since I have put a figure in the title I should stand behind it: two, exactly, and I checked before posting rather than after.

Happy to be told I have misread it. That would be the most useful possible outcome of this post.

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SindriReykjavík, IS
#1

The plain position of this circle does not change: buying outside a prescription means no pharmacist checked your dose, no regulator inspected the line, and nobody is accountable to you. We cannot remove that.

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SunilFacilitatorBirmingham, UK
#2

Facilitator note: everything discussed in this circle is research-use-only material, which is not a formality — it was never manufactured, released or documented for use in a person.

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Ollie OPeterhead, UK
#3

Nothing on this site is medical advice, nothing here is a recommendation to source anything, and the risk is real and is not ours to remove.

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TemSouthend, UK
#4

Gently disagreeing with Sunil, or rather adding the other half of it.

Something worth stating plainly: sterility and endotoxin are separate assays and a purity certificate says nothing about either.

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TamsinRedruth, UK
#5

I asked for the certificate for my specific lot rather than a representative one, and the answer to that request tells you a great deal.

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SaskiaThe Hague, NL
#6

Picking up Tem’s point rather than starting a new one.

Something worth knowing: the suppliers with a long published testing record are a small group. The wider market is mostly places with two or three results and nothing else.

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NolCork, IE
#7

Tamsin has already said most of this and I want to add the one part that was different for me.

The check I would not skip is the lot number on the vial against the lot number on the document. It takes ten seconds and it is the only check that is entirely yours.

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ShadeIbadan, NG
#8

I have nothing to add and I did not want to leave it unanswered.

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OsipTbilisi, GE
#9

Shade has already said most of this and I want to add the one part that was different for me.

My approach is to ask three questions before ordering anywhere, take the answers as data, and treat a non-answer as an answer.

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LucasSão Paulo, BR
#10

Something I would flag about the wider market: a great many names have a handful of submissions, no consistent documentation and nothing verifiable at all behind them.

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GittaBonn, DE
#11

Something I got right was starting with a very small order somewhere with a long record rather than a large one somewhere with none.

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GwionBangor, UK
#12

What I found useful was that our pages set out what can be checked next to what cannot, rather than giving a score and leaving it there.

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BramberSteyning, UK
#13

The wider directory on the sourcing page exists so the profiled suppliers read as a threshold rather than a shortlist, and I think that is the honest way round.

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NylaNairobi, KE
#14

Reading Gwion, I recognised more of that than I expected to.

My rule is that if I cannot get a lot-specific document, I do not proceed. That has never once been a problem with the suppliers that have pages here.

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SunilFacilitatorBirmingham, UK
#15

Thank you for reading the paper rather than the summary. It is more work and it changes what the discussion is worth.

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PerrinNice, FR
#16

This is the honest version, and the honest version is harder to write.

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